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Andy Plesser: I believe
that video blogging is going to be an important part of the future of
mainstream media, and certain mainstream media are embracing in a big way and
doing a great job or are at least experimenting. The New York Times Company is certainly one
by giving David Carr, the media critic, a current crew to go around and create
really interesting, definitely un-Times-like video packages.
And I think it’s indicative of the opportunities that print
media have to create a new kind of form of video that’s not slick; it’s not
broadcast TV. It’s just good, fun, solid
video reporting. So here’s David.
David Carr: Hi. Welcome
back to the Carpetbagger. It’s freezing
out here tonight. Global warming is in
hand.
Andy Plesser: David
Carr, the Carpetbagger himself. David,
congratulations on the blog. It’s going
great. So the look of it is not
Times-like, the video blog, but in a way, the medium has to be redefined. It’s not like a CNN package or a traditional
broadcast package. It’s different. Video reporting or video blogging; that it’s
really different from a traditional news package. What are your thoughts about that?
David Carr: The idea of what looks good now, I think, has
changed. I mean, people want what looks
real and what looks – I’m obviously not a television person either by voice or
by look. I look more like a homeless guy
in Times Square than I do a TV star.
I do think that at the beginning of the year, we started
talking about what we would do with the Carpetbagger, and they talked about two
cameras, more production, and I said, “You know what? You improve this at your peril.” Has to look natural; has to look fresh.
I’m a reporter who’s doing video reports. It shouldn’t look any different than
that. It shouldn’t be any slicker, any
fancier. What we try and put across in
doing the video in Times Square is that the
Square America meets, okay; it’s – there is every manner of folk out here.
The movies are something that brings people together, and of
all the things I do doing these MOS’s, Man on the Streets with people; I love
that. I love talking to people. That’s what people are connecting with.
They don’t see me as a Big X Oscar expert or a big movie
expert. I don’t think people are looking
for fun. They’re looking for
entertainment. I think they’re looking
for expertise or great production values in a very secondary way on the web.
Andy Plesser: Now,
stepping out from what you’re doing personally and creatively, do you think
that video will be embraced by mainstream media and do you think that they can
succeed more broadly?
David Carr: Well, if you look on the newspaper side, I think
the Washington Post has had some
significant success in doing videos and bringing value added. It isn’t like, “Let’s replicate what we
do. Let’s try something else.” I think some of the times; videos have been
very successful.
Magazines, a little less so, although they’re examples: Time Out, and New York has real cute stuff. I’ve seen some sort
of enthusiast sites for like snowmobile magazines that look really good. Part of what is going to happen is consumers
– if you look at like TMZ, which does gossip; you have text; you have headlines
and you’ve got embedded video.
That’s what people are becoming used to is within that
frame, all forms of media expressed, each carrying bits of information that
they consume at the same time.
Andy Plesser: Where
do you see consumer-generated content going next year? Do you think that publications like The Times or other mainstream media will
actually use some of that material? Will
that other material become more serious?
Right now, we’ve seen a lot of stuff that’s funny,
humorous. There is some cultural videos
out there, some interesting political videos, but where will consumer-generated
video – where will the sort of the citizen video revolution go this year, do
you think? Do you have any thoughts
about that?
David Carr: Well, consumer video works on the algorithm of the
wisdom of the crowd. The crowd pushes up
that which they like, so they like funny; they like lude. Somebody that does a lengthy exigest on the
Holocaust on video is probably not gonna do all that great.
But already, mainstream media, MTV over here, is grabbing
onto some of, not just consumer-generated video, but some of the people that
make it and starting to bring them into sort of the corporate structure, and so
I think you’re gonna see increased merit hybrid, sometimes onsite, sometimes
not; increased exchanges between citizens and corporations.
Video is, after all, a way of sending messages, and it’s a
way of talking to each other, so that conversation is really only bound to
increase.
Andy Plesser: Well,
David, thanks very much. Tell me what
you’re up to tonight. What’s going on
with your taping, and when might we see this on the Times site?
David Carr: Well, when might we see this on The Beet’s?
Andy Plesser: Ah,
well, maybe – I don’t wanna scoop you, so all right, I know. We can’t say what’s in the editing bin. At any rate, I know you’re off to –
David Carr: Well, you know, what we’re gonna do first is get
one of these – look at this. I
know. We want one of these. It says “beggar” on it, NOT Beet.TV. You can have it back.
We’re going to National Board of Review, which is over at Cipriani. We’re gonna do a little red carpet, but we’re
gonna try and sneak in there and talk to some celebrities. That’s a little tougher because they’re used
to a very formal sort of dynamic, and they never really seem to know what to
make of me.
It’s like who is this guy, and is he gonna hit me with the
microphone?
Andy Plesser: It’s
not Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood. It’s like a little bit, you know –
David Carr: Looking at me and going, “Who does his hair and
makeup?” You know? But the primary dynamic, sort of the ethic of
the show is we’re supposed to have a good time, so we’re gonna go over
there. We’re gonna take whatever’s
there, and then through the magic of editing, come up with a package that
people will be able to tune into, the New York Times, and you know what?
They can not only watch it, but now, we’ve got it all set up
on iTunes so you can download them all, and if you choose to get on an airplane
and watch serial versions of the Carpetbagger, I don’t know why you would. I wouldn’t watch it with your eyes.
You can. That’s the
thing.
Andy Plesser: Is
that new? I hadn’t heard about that.
David Carr: It’s brand new. It’s being announced too, so we got a big newsbreak on Beet.TV.
Andy Plesser: Oh,
I got a big scoop. At any rate, David,
congratulations on doing an amazing job and really defining what newspapers can
do in terms of creating a different form of video reporting, and it’s really,
really good, and I wish you all the best.
David Carr: Great. The
great thing is it’s made me incredibly wealthy. I’ve had offers from all sorts of networks.
Andy Plesser: Agents,
book deals?
David Carr: I’m not
gonna get in the middle – let agents get in the middle of it. It’s just the great thing about web TV is how
lucrative it is. It’s just
incredible. Last week, I think I got a
box of dirt for what I did, but it was a nice box of dirt.
Andy Plesser: It’s
for the good cause. You’re a pioneer,
man. Congratulations. All right.
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